Date: 11/25/99 4:15 PM Received: 11/25/99 3:57 PM From: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group, list@bodymind.net To: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group, list@bodymind.net http://www.bodymind.net Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates This digest contains the following messages: 1. RE: video tapes 2. Re: Pregnancy 3. Re: Pilates Certification 4. Allegro Reformer 5. back pain induced by pilates 6. (no subject) 7. Re: Pregnancy 8. RE: back pain induced by pilates 9. Re: back pain induced by pilates 10. Re: back pain induced by pilates 11. Re: Pregnancy -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:58:52 +1100 From: "Magndata Mail" Subject: RE: video tapes The Pilates for Athletes is an initial video we have devised as a first step to a far more challenging routine. We shall be introducing more videos next year. Allan Menezes Pilates Institute of Australasia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- The Pilates Institute of Australasia www.pilates.net now has 7 videos available to compliment its book, "The Complete Guide to the Pilates Method". A new product is also available for ankle joint flexibility - StretchIt! See www.shopbuilder.com/pilates for more information and to order. -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:30:27 EST From: Aeropilate@aol.com Subject: Re: Pregnancy Dear Elisa I've been working with pregnant women in this fitness and Pilates fields for years. Please don't forget that you shouldn't be doing movements with foward flexion of the thoraxic spine, which includes hundreds, coordination, backstroke etc. You should not elevate the chest and head into the sit up position. Why? The linea alba separating the two sides of the abs opens creating a diastasis. Foward flexion increases the diastasis; we really want to close this opening bringing the abs together. So still bring the navel to spine and close the diastasis as much as possible. I recommend anyone dealing with special conditions such as pregnancy should really do as much research as possible before working out or working with clients. We are really part of the fitness and rehab. industry and must take this responsiblity for the safety of our clients. There are many informative books and research on Prenatal fitness. I recommend Julie Tupler's Maternal Fitness. Any other questions, feel free to contact me. Eric Hubert Aeropilate@aol.com BodyThoughts Munich Germany 049-170-421-06-20 -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:23:40 EST From: Slynnfit@aol.com Subject: Re: Pilates Certification Incline Village is great. I spend a lot of time in Tahoe. Mostly in the summer as I love to backpack in desolation wilderness. Do you have a studio there? I have several clients that have asked me if I know of any in the Tahoe area. Have a nice thanksgiving. Stacy Lynn -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:26:35 EST From: Sternother@aol.com Subject: Allegro Reformer Has anyone used or has an opinion about the new Allegro Reformer by Balanced Body. Thanks -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Wendy=20Robinson?= Subject: back pain induced by pilates Dear group, I am really keen to continue with pilates as instinctively I feel that it will really help me in the long run but I'm concerned that every time I do some Pilates it brings on a delayed onset of low back pain ( I have a stiff L4,5 S1 and hypermobile segment above). I am a physiotherapist and I have quite a heavy job involving lots of manual handling and I cope with this physically by keeping my abdominals strong mainly with crunches/obliques etc, however my transversus I think is really weak. I did a weekend course in Pilates and I believed that this was the solution for my own back instability. I then bought a book on mat work and have tried several times to perfect the 'PAC' (perfect abdominal curl) among other exercises but I keep getting put off with back pain. I am concerned that the exercises are all in flexion and often for prolonged periods of time with no L/S extension at all. I then thought that I should seek some professional advice and got some individual tuition. We did again mainly mat work but also some reformer work + some stretches into flexion. And again I got back pain the next day. Is this common with beginners?? Should I push on with the mat work and as I get stronger the pain might subside?? Can anyone suggest some extension exercises or advise me on which flexion exercises to avoid?? Am I doing too much too fast?? I'm also interested in doing an instructor course in Sydney Australia. Can anyone recommend one? Thanks in advance Wendy ===== Wendy Robinson robinsonwe@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:37:26 EST From: K2nic2btru@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Hi, my name is Dawn Wilson and I recently became interested in the pilates exercises. I'm a senior at West Jefferson High School in West Jefferson, Ohio (it's a very small town) and I play basketball and softball. During the fall though I don't play a sport so I would run periodically and lift weights Monday through Friday to stay in shape. This was great but when basketball started I found it hard to lift anymore because I have no time and then I read about pilates and wondered if this could keep me toned without me having to go to a gym to do so. So I was wondering if you could maybe send me more info or tell me where I could get more info about it. Thank very much. -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:18:49 -0800 From: "Peggy Cuthbert" Subject: Re: Pregnancy So, to summarize everything I've read, or been told about pregnancy and Pilates: - don't do it in the 1st trimester - after the 4th month limit or eliminate time spent lying on back - no thoracic flexion - no rotation of the spine - no lumbar extension - when lying on back, elevate head and shoulders with a pillow - no feet over head exercises (eg. Rollover, Jackknife, Long Spine) So, what's left? Peggy -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group To: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group Date: November 19, 1999 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy >http://www.bodymind.net >Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > > >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:30:27 EST >From: Aeropilate@aol.com >Subject: Re: Pregnancy > >Dear Elisa > >I've been working with pregnant women in this fitness and Pilates fields for >years. > >Please don't forget that you shouldn't be doing movements with foward flexion >of the thoraxic spine, which includes hundreds, coordination, backstroke etc. > You should not elevate the chest and head into the sit up position. > >Why? The linea alba separating the two sides of the abs opens creating a >diastasis. Foward flexion increases the diastasis; we really want to close >this opening bringing the abs together. So still bring the navel to spine >and close the diastasis as much as possible. > >I recommend anyone dealing with special conditions such as pregnancy should >really do as much research as possible before working out or working with >clients. We are really part of the fitness and rehab. industry and must take >this responsiblity for the safety of our clients. > >There are many informative books and research on Prenatal fitness. I >recommend Julie Tupler's Maternal Fitness. > >Any other questions, feel free to contact me. > >Eric Hubert >Aeropilate@aol.com > >BodyThoughts >Munich Germany >049-170-421-06-20 > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net >Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) >Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST). >__________________________________________________________________ > -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:47:15 +1300 From: "Maree" Subject: RE: back pain induced by pilates Dear Wendy, If you call the APMA (Australian Pilates Method Association) on 02 9699 5509 they provide teacher training programme. Kind Regards Maree Burmester Managing Director Body Studio 2/141 Victoria Square Wellesley Street West Auckland NEW ZEALAND TEL: (64) 9 303 2211 FAX: (64) 9 376 6270 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group [mailto:list@bodymind.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 1999 13:36 > To: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group > Subject: back pain induced by pilates > > > http://www.bodymind.net > Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > > > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:46:10 -0800 (PST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Wendy=20Robinson?= > Subject: back pain induced by pilates > > Dear group, > > I am really keen to continue with pilates as > instinctively I feel that it will really help me in > the long run but I'm concerned that every time I do > some Pilates it brings on a delayed onset of low back > pain ( I have a stiff L4,5 S1 and hypermobile segment > above). > > I am a physiotherapist and I have quite a heavy job > involving lots of manual handling and I cope with this > physically by keeping my abdominals strong mainly with > crunches/obliques etc, however my transversus I think > is really weak. I did a weekend course in Pilates and > I believed that this was the solution for my own back > instability. I then bought a book on mat work and > have tried several times to perfect the 'PAC' (perfect > abdominal curl) among other exercises but I keep > getting put off with back pain. I am concerned that > the exercises are all in flexion and often for > prolonged periods of time with no L/S extension at > all. I then thought that I should seek some > professional advice and got some individual tuition. > We did again mainly mat work but also some reformer > work + some stretches into flexion. And again I got > back pain the next day. > > Is this common with beginners?? Should I push on with > the mat work and as I get stronger the pain might > subside?? Can anyone suggest some extension exercises > or advise me on which flexion exercises to avoid?? Am > I doing too much too fast?? > > I'm also interested in doing an instructor course in > Sydney Australia. Can anyone recommend one? > > Thanks in advance > > Wendy > > > > ===== > Wendy Robinson > robinsonwe@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net > Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) > Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST). > __________________________________________________________________ > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:42:13 EST From: Studio4bod@aol.com Subject: Re: back pain induced by pilates Dear Wendy, I have been teaching Pilates for 3 years now. When I first began my training I too had extreme low back pain. I had very little ability for any spine extension at all. Very inbalanced, all I can say is stick with it. I am 100% improved. One of the best peices of advice given to me by my teacher, Michelle Larson of Core Dynamics Plus was this , stop your other types of training for awhile. I believe this helped me more than anything. Good Luck and let us know how you are doing. Regards & Health, Sue Elliott -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:18:44 EST From: Aeropilate@aol.com Subject: Re: back pain induced by pilates Dear Wendy No you should not be feeling that much pain after a workout. I assume you understand the difference between soreness and pain; I ask because many people do not. There are so many suggestions and possibilities that could be happening. Firstly I believe you should see a doctor if exercises such as foward flexion are causing you that much pain. Even the most competent physiotherapist and Pilates trainer cannot diagnose exactly why you are having pain. (Which is not normal) Next, please don't forget because your lower back is tight does not mean it is strong. You should still strengthen the back extensors. I find people generally forget that a muscle can be tight and weak, tight and strong, flexible and weak or flexible and strong. Of course we all want flexible and strong muscles, finding that BALANCE. I would really suggest a further diagnosis with a med. professional before continueing and only then taking the work slowly. There are so many modifications to make the Pilates work as gentle as possible. And look at you musclular balance etc when you start. As a physiotherapist I would think you can distinguish what is ok for your own body. Imagine you are your patient. Treat yourself and be as gentle with your own body as you would your patient's. Good Luck. Contact me and let me know how it goes. Eric Hubert BodyThoughts Munich, Germany 049-170-4210-620 aeropilate@aol.com -------------------- 11 -------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:45:50 EST From: Aeropilate@aol.com Subject: Re: Pregnancy Dear Peggy I don't know where you got your information from, but I've had clients workout through thier first trimester with a breeze. Are you also saying that pregant women don't lie on their backs at all? The amount of time spent on the back during exercises such as footwork are not going to harm the the majority of people. No, pregnancy is not the time to start an exercise program, but there are many women doing full aerobic classes during their pregnancies. And if they are strong enough to do it, why should a pregnant woman stop her Pilates workout. It also seems to me that you really know very little of the work. Maybe what you picked up from videos. With the Wunda Chair, Electric Chair, Ped a Pull, Cadillac and Reformer, there are still so many exercises that can be done for pregnant woman. Yes some with modifications, but every client usually uses some modifications because most people are not strong enough to do the complete body of Joe's work.(not even me and I am an ex dancer, gymnast and aerobic champion!) I would really recommend going to see a trainer and to work with a qualified instructor during pregnancy. And remember, as with every other exerciser now doing Pilates work, it's about your body and what makes you feel good. A doctor or a book does not know your body. Listen to it because that what Pilates is really about. Good Luck Eric Hubert BodyThoughts Munich, Germany aeropilate@aol.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST). __________________________________________________________________ ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------