Date: 11/3/99 7:50 PM Received: 11/4/99 10:18 AM From: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group, list@bodymind.net To: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group, list@bodymind.net http://www.bodymind.net Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates This digest contains the following messages: 1. Unknown 2. Re: Pilates presentation, large audience, any ideas? 3. Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #2 4. SUBSCRIBE%20DIGEST 5. pilates/weight lifting 6. Re: programs & equipment 7. Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #1 8. reformers 9. equipment differences 10. Re: programs & equipment 11. Video for Chair 12. information for Spain 13. STOTT CERTIFICATION COURSES 14. bodybuilder and jetski racer has a question 15. Workshop in Memphis,Tenn. 16. More Info 17. pregnancy -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:27:19 -0400 From: "Mindy Heilmann" Subject: Unknown I bought the Jennifer Kries toning and sculpting tapes and was satisfied with the arm exercises and the philosophy. However, The leg exercises were not nearly strenuous enough for my thighs and hips. What tape would you recommend that concentrates on those areas? Mindy -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:25:57 -0700 From: "D. Kempe Jacobowitz Ames" Subject: Re: Pilates presentation, large audience, any ideas? Hi Judith, Good luck on the presentation! I am responding to the list because I thought that others might be interested in the search results for the primary database for medical research and practice. Here are the three articles listed in Medline for pilates: Harvard Women's Health Watch 6(5):7 January 1999: "Conditioning by Pilates." Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise 30(10): 1543-7 October 98: "Improved leaping ability in rhythmic gymnasts." Sports Medicine 19(5): 341-57 May 1995: "Overuse injuries in classical ballet." By the way, this is perhaps the time to let you all know that I work for a medical library. If there is any subject that you would like references for in the health or life sciences, please, just let me know. My job is to provide medical information to the public so it is not problem at all. In fact, it might give me a chance to further research an interest or allow me to learn something new. If you have difficulty finding these articles, you might contact your local medical school or ask for them through interlibrary loan at your local public library. The info I provided should be sufficient to retrieve them through interlibrary loan. If not, let me know and I will provide more complete references. Take care, Kempe -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:39:36 EDT From: Slynnfit@aol.com Subject: Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #2 Dear Judd, I should probably make my job posting more clear. Part-time positions open for method trainers at Mill Valley PT based Studio. Strong anatomy backround/kenesiology preferred Contact: Stacy Lynn at 415-458-4477 or fax resume to 415-388-5270. -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:09:25 EDT From: Slynnfit@aol.com Subject: Trainers Wanted Part-time positions open for method trainers at Mill Valley PT based Studio. Strong anatomy backround/kenesiology preferred Contact: Stacy Lynn at 415-458-4477 or fax resume to 415-388-5270. I think your site is fantastic. You have found a way to present the work...without the political B.S. Thank you for this site. I'm sure a lot of work went into it. My name is Stacy Lynn and I have a studio called FitFirst in Mill Valley California. I am looking for trainers and we seem to have a shortage of them here in Northern California. Go figure...if I had the chance to do Pilates here or in Cleveland...I think I'd pick here. (I'm originally from Cleveland so I can get away with that comment). -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 03:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Judith Mills Subject: pilates/weight lifting I've been a certified Pilates trainer for many years now, and did the work exclusively for many, many years. As I got older I noticed that I was loosing muscle as most people do despite being incredibly strong and able bodied. I took up bodybuilding and thanks to Pilates training, concepts and practice I have been able to really put on much new muscle in only one very heavy, short, weight lifting session per week. I really like the principals the Super Slow Exercise Guild has for weight lifting and exercise, check them out on-line sometime. (One writer, in that group obviously does not understand Pilates as that person was very negative about it but called it Pilades) I think these two styles of exercise can work together well it just depends on what you want. If you want small muscles you should avoid heavy weight lifting, but there may be other reasons not related to appearances that may motivate a person to take up some more muscle. For me, I just couldn't add muscle with Pilates, although many of my clients can and do, and I think it is good thinking to keep that lean muscle mass up as we age. With the demographics the way they are, I think we will be seeing more and more people wanting to take up weight lifting in the future. Thanks for all your feedback on the presentation I gave. It went extremely well, and lasted an hour beyond the end time. Seems to me, demand for Pilates training will continue to increase. Judith Mills ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:14:40 -0400 From: "J. Christopher Potts DPT" Subject: Re: programs & equipment Alycea, just one question: With your feet placed normally on the foot bar, just what are you pulling the carriage in with? And, what are you pulling on? Why should someone have to fight the machine, when it is so simple to increase the difficulty of an exercise by decreasing or increasing springs as appropriate? With a machine with BUILT-IN extra resistance (either from low quality components or poor workmanship), you can NEVER decrease it for a client with special needs. In that case you will FORCE your client to conform to the machine, instead of adapting the machine to the needs of the client (which I believe is one of the important differences between Pilates and other exercise systems.) Joseph Pilates Discussion Group wrote: > http://www.bodymind.net > Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:04:29 EDT > From: PilatesAB@aol.com > Subject: Re: programs & equipment > > Judd, > I understand. Here is a more thorough response. > > In a message dated 10/18/99 12:06:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > list@bodymind.net writes: > > << > Regarding equipment: > > As a studio owner, I am an absolute devotee of the Gratz equipment. Having > experimented with other equipment i.e. Current Concepts, Solid Woodworks, > Dynamic, etc., I can tell you from experience that to train your clients in > the original Pilates method ( I cannot vouch for the Pilates based techniques > ) on any other reformer is doing your clients a disservice. The cadillac, > chair, barrels, do not seem to make such a difference. > > Once we made the switch to Gratz reformers - there were riots in the studio. > > No one wanted to work out on the wooden reformers any longer. Our clients > stated they felt their rear-ends for the first time. It wasn't long before > all of our reformers were Gratz. I had only to ask my clients for their > opinion. > > In my own opinion there are two factors which make the difference. > Firstly, the wheels in the wooden reformers have ball-bearings to allow for a > smoother ride. Gratz machines do not and so the machine relies solely on > human strength to pull it forward. You get no help from the decreased > friction on a Gratz machine. > > Secondly, the carriage on a Gratz has a metal back. This means the carriage > weighs more than on the wooden machines. As a result, the springs (and you) > must work harder to bring the carriage home. On the wooden machines, the > springs over-power the carriage which weighs very little and the student has > to do less works to pull the carriage in during a workout. > > The end result.....Pilates done on Gratz machines seems to tone the backs of > the legs and buttocks more efficiently and effectively than others we have > tried here at Tribeca Bodyworks. > > Feel free to email me directly for any questions. > > Alycea Ungaro > Tribeca Bodyworks > NYC > PilatesNYC@aol.com > >> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net > Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) > Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST). > __________________________________________________________________ -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:23:05 -0400 From: "J. Christopher Potts DPT" Subject: Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #1 A piriformis stretch is easily accomplished on the mat, short box and ladder barrel. On the short box: Sit with one foot either still under the strap or flat on the reformer carriage and cross the ankle over the that thigh close to the knee. Cross the ankle fully over the thigh, i.e. with the malleolus on the lateral side of the knee its crossed over. Kept the knee of the crossed ankle pressed out (increasing external rotation) and lean forward or hinge forward at the hip joints. On the mat: Similar position but do it supine. cross one ankle over the other thigh (bottom leg) near the knee and pull on the back of the thigh of the bottom leg with the hands while pressing the knee of the top leg out to the side (with an elbow), On the ladder barrel: Stand against the ladder and swing one leg onto the barrel. Turn the leg out and bend the knee so that the lower leg is across the width of the barrel and lean forward or hinge at the hips. There are other variations on the mat but they provide a much more intense stretch and are easier to demonstrate than describe in writing. The gluteus maximus also crosses the SI joints and may need to be addressed as well as the piriformis. Although tightness there will not produce the same symptoms as piriformis syndrome, the gluteus maximus along with the biceps femoris and rectus femoris can affect/cause pelvic/SI rotations and should be assessed for tightness. Hope this helps. Joseph Pilates Discussion Group wrote: > http://www.bodymind.net > Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:04:36 -0400 > From: "Joyce Wahr" > Subject: Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #1 > > Technically speaking Chris and judith are correct in that you don't > stretch the SI joint. Many individuals, especially those who do a lot > of walking, have tightness in the pyriformis muscle which attaches close > to the SI joint. If one pyriformis muscle is stronger than the other, > you can get a rotation of the pelvis which leads to a lot of SI joint > pain. In aerobics classes a stretch to release this is as follows: > seated, with one leg bent and the foot planted on the outside of the > contralateral knee. The torso is then twisted toward the side of the > bent leg. This stretch, or others like it, are often taught by physical > therapists for pain in the SI joint. I refer to pilates or stott > instructors about which exercises they prescribe for this type of back > pain (and would like to know myself, as I am a sufferer!) > > >>> Joseph Pilates Discussion Group 10/21/99 > 11:47AM >>> > http://www.bodymind.net > Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 14:45:50 -0000 > From: Judith > Subject: Re: Joseph Pilates Discussion Group #1 > > i'm confused. how is "stretching the joints" part of the pilates or > stott > debate? In the 10 years i have been associated with stott, both as a > client and an employee, I have never heard that term. it clearly > doesn't > sound good for you. judith > > >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:59:11 -0400 > >From: Chris and Dilla > >Subject: Re: Pilates or Stott debate > > > >RE: "stretching the joints" > > > >This terminology is problematic. Generally speaking you stretch > muscles and > >tendons which cross joints, (rarely ligaments since they are inelastic > and > >once elongated tend to de-stabilize the joint in question), and if > properly > >trained joint capsules, but you don't stretch joints. I suppose > traction > >could be considered "stretching the joints", but really it is soft > tissue > >lengthening that is happening even with traction. > > > >Why on earth do you want to stretch the SI joints? Stretching them > will > >destabilize joints that you WANT very stable. Yes there is some > movement in > >these joints (nutation and counter-nutation, but even this movement > is > >controversial among experts), but you do not want to increase what is > there > >naturally. > > > >Generally speaking, without knowing exactly what you are getting at, > >"stretching" your SI joints is a bad idea. > > > >Exercises of Joseph and Clara Pilates wrote: > > > >> http://www.bodymind.net > >> Matwork, Exercises, and Equipment Developed by Joe/Clara Pilates > >> > >> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:46:06 EDT > >> From: LDiana818@aol.com > >> Subject: Re: Pilates or Stott debate > >> > >> could you give any advice on stretching the SI joints on the > pilates > >> performer. thanks > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net > Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) > Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE > DIGEST). > __________________________________________________________________ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to list@bodymind.net > Individual messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) > Grouped messages: Set Subject = SUBSCRIBE DIGEST (or UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST). > __________________________________________________________________ -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Wendy=20Robinson?= Subject: reformers Are there any second hand reformers for sale??? ===== Wendy Robinson robinsonwe@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:43:12 -0400 From: George Hooks Subject: equipment differences I have been reading these e-mails for months now about the differences and preferences of equipment and equipment companies. I have also been teaching PILATES since 1989, ( a fraction of years compared to the teachers that should be responding to all these e-mails ) and taught on many different brands of Pilates based apparatus. At this point , I am seeing OVER 200 students a week at our studio, and have 8 teachers working under me. We see a variety of clients from the professional dancer, to the 88 year old woman, to the severe scoliosis patient. I must say that all of my teachers are in agreement about equipment. Depending on the client and physical goal you are looking for, each manufacturer is good!! They have created beautiful machines with precision to accommodate the needs of every client type . In our opinion, and remember unless you can calibrate the physics of each piece of apparatus with each body (because the physics of each machine determines the workout).. this is all PERSONAL preference, like buying a car, you buy based on your needs. If you have tall tight injured clients you need the machines of current concepts, or progressive dynamics they make great machines for all types( Im not saying they are not good for in shape clients they are I have both,but.. if you have a 5ft. tall small in shape women these are not your best choice for keeping these women challenged.. We agree with the Tribecca bodyworks people, as far as a WORKOUT .. The Gratz machines cannot be beat .The physics of his machines forces you into your"powerhouse" like nobody else's, and the workmanship is outstanding no matter what anyone else has said..the quality is like buying a mercedes not just a cadillac-Ha , but.. If you are in a teaching situation ( like a gym etc.where you have people that can not find their power house( pelvic stabilization) ,and you are seeing a lot of therapy cases, you need to have the machines current concepts makes with larger carriages or you will have people injured with too much compression on their spines,especially the sacrum(sometimes shoulder.) Again this is just an opinion, but at least an experienced one! E. Gillies -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:14:38 -0400 From: JHUME Subject: Re: programs & equipment Hello Alycea.... I read your comments as to why Gratz equipment is superior in your mind. Your comments make sense ... in the technical measurement sense, I mean. I have never seen a Gratz reformer so my response is motivated strictly by your comments. As an engineer I understand the basis of your reasoning. At ShapeShift we have chosen to know precisely how much weight (in lbs. per foot of travel) a particular spring resists the movement of the platform. We have 5 springs on each reformer (using Balanced Body Equipment) and we use a mixture of the various tensions, but calibrate each spring on each reformer. Your comments about the weight of the steel back vs a wood carriage, ball bearings, increased friction, etc. are, frankly, irrelevent. The bottom line is resistence measured in some precise manner. It's my guess that any reformer built to some good standard of quality, equipped with a measurable variability in resistence would be ... unit-of-measurement-to measurement .... precisely identical .... making this discussion somewhat moot. Does anyone agree or have a different point of view. Sincerely, James Hume ShapeShift Studio -------------------- 11 -------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:11:11 -0400 (EDT) From: janisl@mindspring.com (Janis Levine) Subject: Video for Chair Does anyone have a favorite video for beginning and intermediate chair exercises? I'm looking for a visual aid. Janis -------------------- 12 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:58:22 +0200 From: "M-G.Molero" Subject: information for Spain I am a student of ostheopaty in Barcelona and are very interested in knowing about the benefits of Pilates method for spine problems, especially soclioses in both adult and children. Has anybody done any scientifically profound research on the issue? To whom may I ask about it? Thanks a lot for the information. Natalia -------------------- 13 -------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:43:31 +0100 From: Lindsay Merrithew Subject: STOTT CERTIFICATION COURSES Hi There, STOTT has updated our schedule for certification courses in Toronto, Ontario for the year 2000. We thought that we should forward this information to you and let you know that we also have a number of courses offered throughout the USA and abroad. Here we go: Intensive Mat Jan 31-Feb 11, 2000 Mar 20-Mar 31, 2000 May 1- May 12, 2000 Jun 19-Jun 30, 2000 Intensive Reformer Feb 14-Mar 10, 2000 Jul 4- Jul 28, 2000 Intensive Cadillac Chair & Barrels Mar 13-Apr 7, 2000 Aug 8- Sep 1, 2000 Injuries & Special Populations Apr 17-Apr 28, 2000 Sep 5- Sep 14, 2000 -------------------- 14 -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:05:27 EDT From: Fx199@aol.com Subject: bodybuilder and jetski racer has a question HI all, I'm new to the list and have a few questions. I'm 5'7" 145 pounds, in good shape and looking to get better strength, flexibilty. Looks are also an issue, I'd like to see some really ripped bodies Pilates-wise. I'd like to know how it affects one's body visually. Can anyone direct me to where I could see some pictures of some instructors in good shape, before and after etc. So far I don't know much about Pilates, I have ordered a matwork video from stottconditioning.com. Once in awhile I get some kind of lower back pain, like a pinched nerve or something, i can't bend to the left without pain, and can't hold weights straight out (no leverage). It only happens every once in awhile, like maybe once a year, and it always goes away. Let me know your thoughts. John D -------------------- 15 -------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:53:26 -0500 From: MARC LAVOIE Subject: Workshop in Memphis,Tenn. Hello everyone, I wanted to let the group know that I will be in Memphis,Tennessee from Nov.29 to Dec. 6th giving workshops.I am a Stott-Conditioning instructor and teacher trainer.If any of you are in this area and would like to experience Stott mat work or have a reformer session, please contact Ballet Memphis for more information. tel: 1-(901) 737-7322 Thank you Monique -------------------- 16 -------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:05:09 -0600 From: guest Subject: More Info Hi I read an article in the paper about this pilates program and I am very interested. I have some questions and ould love it if you can get back to me with the answers. I am about 21 years old and am a student at the Ohio state University. I had back surgery in August for an herniated disk at L5-S1 level. This is my second back surgery. the same thing happened three years ago at the L4-L5 level. The doctors say that there is nothing that links the two injuries together and that I will be able to do everything as normal after I recover. I am also a physical therapy student. I want to work out, and need to start swimming to strenghten my mucsles, but am very scared I will hurt myself again. I was not in any type of accident, no one knows why this happened. So, have you had any experience with this. I do not have pain anymore. I want to get strong again, get in shape, but at the same time not cause another injury. Please tell me if this sounds like a good idea or not. Thanks. Christine McCarthy -------------------- 17 -------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:12:28 -0400 From: Charles Subject: pregnancy Thank you for a very informative website. Is matwork OK to practice during pregnancy (if one has already been doing it) ? If so, during what stages is it relatively unsafe to practice? 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